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		<title>The FBI Cheating Scandal Probe Began at the Washington Field Office With an &#8220;Anonymous Complaint&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Allan Lengel ticklethewire.com WASHINGTON &#8211; A probe into the nationwide FBI test cheating scandal cited in an Inspector General report released Monday began at the Washington field office, just blocks from the Capitol. The report, which cited widespread cheating on an open book exam nationwide, said the FBI Inspection Division in September 2009 received [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>WASHINGTON </strong>&#8211; A probe into the nationwide FBI test cheating scandal cited in an Inspector General report released Monday began at the Washington field office, just blocks from the Capitol.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/s100927.pdf" target="_blank">The report,</a> which cited widespread cheating on an open book exam nationwide, said the FBI Inspection Division in September 2009 received an anonymous complaint that three top managers at the Washington Field Office (WFO) cheated on the Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG), which provides guidelines on surveilling Americans. The bureau allowed agents to refer to reference materials for the open book exam, but not to take it together or get the answers beforehand.</p>
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<p>The report, while not naming names, said two special agents in charge at the Washington Field Office &#8212; Keith Bryars and Andrew Castor &#8212; had taken the open book exam together &#8220;while discussing the questions and possible answers with a legal advisor, who was present.&#8221;</p>
<p>It went on to say that the Assistant Director in Charge (ADIC) , Joseph Persichini Jr. was in the room, but did not take the test at the time.</p>
<p>&#8220;Instead, the ADIC wrote the answers and later used them to complete the exam another day.&#8221; Ticklethwire.com was the first to report on the scandal last November. Castor, Bryars and Persichini have all consistently declined to comment on the matter in the past.</p>
<p>The Inspector General report said one of the special agents in charge &#8220;argued, among other things, that he did not cheat because although he had asked the legal advisor to reference the sections in the DIOG for us to use to answer the question&#8221; he never asked the legal advisor &#8216;what the answer was to a particular question.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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<p>But the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) wasn&#8217;t buying it, the report said, and concluded that he &#8220;violated basic test-taking protocols and constituted cheating.&#8221;</p>
<p>The OPR probe found that both SACs violated the FBI policy about making false or misleading statements by certifying in question 51 on the exam that they had not consulted with anyone on the test.  OPR issued a 20 day suspension without pay for both,  and a demotion to a non-supervisory pay grade of GS-13. But the punishment was stayed while they appeal.</p>
<p>Interesting, in the meantime,  both have landed “acting” deputy assistant director jobs — one at headquarters and one at Quantico, Va. Some in the rank and file at the bureau have perceived it as a promotion — a move they think sends the wrong message.</p>
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<p>The Inspector General report said that the lawyer who helped the supervisors cheat at WFO  used &#8220;astounding lack of judgment.&#8221; OPR issued a decision to suspend him for 10 days without pay, but he has appealed that.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the report said that Persichini, who headed the FBI Washington field office,  &#8220;argued  that he had not cheated because the answers he wrote down for his later use constituted &#8216;notes&#8217;, which he argued were permissible under the open-book procedures of the exam.</p>
<p>OPR rejected that argument and noted that he also committed a misconduct by certifying on Question 51 that he had not consulted with anyone.</p>
<p>It noted that Persichini retired &#8220;from the FBI after learning that the FBI proposed to discipline him, but before the FBI had reached a final decision about that discipline.&#8221; He retired last Christmas Day.</p>
<p>&#8220;After the conclusion of the Inspection Division&#8217;s investigation of the allegations about the WFO managers&#8217; conduct  on the DIOG exam, the FBI reported to us that it subsequently received allegations that employees in addition to those in WFO may have cheated on the exam by sharing answer keys or be receiving assistance,&#8221; the Inspector General report said.</p>
<p>The IG report went on to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;As described in this report, in our limited investigation at several FBI offices, we found that many FBI employees violated various FBI rules in connection with the exam by consulting with others, falsely certifying that they had consulted with no one, using answer sheets or study guides that provided the questions and answers on the exam, or exploiting flawed computer programming to reveal the answers on the test.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Several supervisors&#8221; were involved in cheating, the IG said, &#8220;including two ASACs [assistant special agents in charge], two SSAs [supervisory special agents], and a legal advisor&#8230; Almost all of those who cheated falsely certified on Question 51 (the final question of the exam) that they had not consulted with others.&#8221;</p>
<p>The FBI issued the following press release Monday:</p>
<p>Press Release</p>
<p>For Immediate Release</p>
<p>September 27, 2010</p>
<p>Washington D.C.</p>
<p>FBI National Press Office</p>
<p>(202) 324-3691</p>
<p>FBI’s Response to OIG Report on DIOG Testing</p>
<p>Statement of the FBI Director:</p>
<p>“An uncompromising commitment to integrity remains the backbone of the FBI workforce. It guides us in every aspect of carrying out our mission to protect the American public. When allegations of misconduct relating to the DIOG testing first came to our attention, we moved quickly to investigate, bringing in the Office of Inspector General (OIG). In cases where misconduct has been determined, personnel actions were taken, and that process continues. We will follow-up in each of the 22 cases the IG has found for disciplinary action, as appropriate, as well as any other allegations of misconduct.</p>
<p>“The vast majority of FBI employees successfully completed the DIOG training and the open-book examination that followed, in accordance with the test-taking instructions. While the Office of Inspector General has identified a number of factors that contributed to problems with the test-taking, nothing excuses the conduct of those who chose not to comply when instructions were clear.”</p>
<p>Background of the OIG Investigation and Report:</p>
<p>• The FBI issued the Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) in December 2008. To ensure that FBI employees understood the importance of the DIOG and were able to apply it, the FBI mandated 16.5 hours of live classroom training for employees involved in operations. Virtually every special agent and intelligence analyst, as well as many other FBI employees who support operations, attended the mandatory training within the first several months of the DIOG’s release.</p>
<p>• FBI employees were also required to complete an open-book test. The vast majority of FBI personnel took the open-book test through the FBI’s online “Virtual Academy” system. Unlike other Virtual Academy tests, which are primarily training aids, DIOG test protocol did not permit consultation with other employees while answering test questions. This was a first-time test protocol for FBI in-service training.</p>
<p>• In fall 2009, the FBI moved quickly to investigate an allegation that certain employees had not followed the DIOG test protocol and, separately, to begin looking for indicators suggesting that other employees had not followed the protocol. The FBI then referred the matter to the OIG. The OIG investigated three allegations of misconduct and a group of employees who had indicators suggesting that they had not followed test protocol. The OIG subsequently determined that 22 of those employees did not follow the DIOG test protocol or acted improperly in some other manner.</p>
<p>• The FBI is disappointed with the misconduct described in the report. The FBI acknowledges some responsibility for this result. The FBI did not strictly limit how field offices administered the training and testing, and the OIG found that training was not uniformly delivered across the country and testing procedures varied.</p>
<p>• While these issues explain some of the OIG’s findings, they do not excuse the conduct of employees who did not comply with clear instructions. The Office of Professional Responsibility will review and adjudicate the facts of cases involving misconduct and take all appropriate action.</p>
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		<title>Opinions Mixed Inside FBI Over Test Cheating Scandal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Allan Lengel For AOL News WASHINGTON &#8212; To cheat or not to cheat on an open-book exam. That is no longer an issue among FBI agents around the country now that the test is long over. Now the question is, should those who did cheat on the FBI exam last year &#8212; and they [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>WASHINGTON</strong> &#8212; To cheat or not to cheat on an open-book exam.</p>
<p>That is no longer an issue among FBI agents around the country now that the test is long over. Now the question is, should those who did cheat on the FBI exam last year &#8212; and they could number in the hundreds &#8212; be punished? Opinions inside the bureau are mixed and plentiful.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think someone should get punished,&#8221; one FBI agent, who asked not to be identified, told AOL News, adding that the instructions for the test on bureau procedures were clear: You had to take it by yourself. &#8220;There are agents who worked hard and took the test on their own. There&#8217;s no excuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>But others disagree, including one agent who said it was &#8220;just goofy&#8221; to be accused of cheating on an open-book, multiple-choice exam. Another agent concurred, saying &#8220;the whole test is a joke&#8221; and that some employees may have found the test-taking instructions confusing and should simply be required to retake the exam if they collaborated with others.</p>
<p>To read more click <a href="http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/opinions-mixed-inside-fbi-over-test-cheating-scandal/19588171" target="_blank">here.</a></p>
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		<title>More Scandal: Justice Dept. Investigating Whether 100s of FBI Agents Cheated on Open Book Test</title>
		<link>http://www.ticklethewire.com/2010/07/28/more-scandal-justice-dept-investigating-whether-100s-of-fbi-agents-cheated-on-open-book-test/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Allan Lengel ticklethewire.com WASHINGTON &#8212; There appears to be more scandal in the air relating to allegations of FBI agents cheating on an open book test. The Associated Press is reporting that the Justice Department is investigating whether hundreds of FBI agents cheated on a test on the bureau&#8217;s policies about conducting surveillance and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<address><a href="http://www.ticklethewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fbi-logo-large.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-26840" title="fbi logo large" src="http://www.ticklethewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fbi-logo-large-300x277.jpg" alt="fbi logo large" width="300" height="277" /></a>By Allan Lengel</address>
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<p><strong>WASHINGTON</strong> &#8212; There appears to be more scandal in the air relating to allegations of FBI agents cheating on an open book test.</p>
<p>The Associated Press is <a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FBI_CHEATING?SITE=AP&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT" target="_blank">reporting</a> that the Justice Department is investigating whether hundreds of FBI agents cheated on a test on the bureau&#8217;s policies about conducting surveillance and probes without evidence of a crime being committed. Specifically, the test is on the Domestic Investigations and Operation Guide.</p>
<p>The news comes after ticklethewire.com first reported in November that three top officials at the Washington field office had allegedly been caught cheating on the test.</p>
<p>The top official, Joseph Persichini Jr., headed the field office, retired last Christmas before a final resolution could be reached in the internal probe. Two of his special agents in charge, Keith Bryars and Andrew Castor, were removed and sent to headquarters pending an appeal of the findings of an internal probe.</p>
<p>The allegations at the time were that the  three high-ranking officials may have received help on the  exam from an FBI lawyer, and may have some how worked together, a clear violation of agency rules.</p>
<p>Agents say the open-book test can take up to four hours, and is supposed to be taken on their own on a computer. They can look up answers, but are not allowed to work together or rely on answers provided by others. All agents take the test including FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.</p>
<p>The Associated Press reported that in some cases agents worked together. The news agency also reported that the FBI Agents Association president Konrad Motyka wrote in his letter that in  Columbia, S.C., agents printed the test in advance to use as a study guide.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are similar stories for practically every office, demonstrating the pervasive confusion and miscommunication that existed,&#8221; Motyka wrote.</p>
<p>FBI Director Mueller, testifying Wednesday morning before the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he was aware of the investigation, but was not certain how many agents may have violated the bureau guidelines while taking the test.</p>
<p>The AP reported that Motyka urged the inspector general to focus on the FBI&#8217;s &#8220;systemic failure&#8221; to administer the test without rules.</p>
<p>He urged that agents not be punished &#8220;because of a failure to effectively communicate the rules,&#8221; he wrote.</p>
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		<title>Head of FBI D.C. Office Joseph Persichini Jr. Retiring</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[FBI&#8217;s Joseph Persichin Jr./ticklethewire.com photo By Allan Lengel ticklethewire.com WASHINGTON &#8212; Joseph Persichini Jr., who has headed the FBI Washington field office for the past three years, is retiring at the end of the year. Persichini, 55, was special agent in charge of the administrative division at the Washington field office before he rose in [...]]]></description>
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<address>By Allan Lengel</address>
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<p><strong>WASHINGTON</strong> &#8212; Joseph Persichini Jr., who has headed the FBI Washington field office for the past three years, is retiring at the end of the year.</p>
<p>Persichini, 55, was special agent in charge of the administrative division at the Washington field office before he rose in 2006 to the top post in the office and was named assistant director in charge, replacing Mike Mason who eventually went on to take a job with Verizon.</p>
<p>He began his FBI career in 1976 as an accountant at FBI headquarters in the Budget and Accounting Section and became a special agent in 1980, according to the FBI.</p>
<p>As head of the D.C. FBI field office, he oversaw some major cases including the anthrax investigation and the tax scandal in the D.C. Tax Office, which involved the theft of some $50 million.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one decline in crime worth cheering about. By Freeman Klopott Examiner Staff Writer WASHINGTON &#8211; Carjackings are on the decline in the District, running at about 200 this year compared with the approximately 600 in all of 2008, the FBI said, crediting a joint police FBI task force for the success. The task [...]]]></description>
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<p>By Freeman Klopott<br />
Examiner Staff Writer<br />
<strong>WASHINGTON </strong>&#8211; Carjackings are on the decline in the District, running at about 200 this year compared with the approximately 600 in all of 2008, the FBI said, crediting a joint police FBI task force for the success.</p>
<p>The task force has been a &#8220;tremendous asset in fighting violent crime across the region,&#8221; said Joseph Persichini Jr., FBI assistant director for the Washington field office.</p>
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		<title>The Anthrax Suicide, Washington Espionage and More</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<strong> In the bustling nation's capital, Joseph Persichini Jr., head of the FBI's Washington field office, talks about espionage, the inauguration, the anthrax caper and how he felt after the anthrax suspect committed suicide. </strong> </more>]]></description>
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<p><strong>WASHINGTON</strong> &#8211;  One recent morning,   shortly after this  city had come down from the high of a historic inauguration,<a href="http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel06/persichini110906.htm" target="_blank"> Joseph Persichini  Jr.,</a> head of the FBI&#8217;s Washington field office, sat down with ticklethewire.com editor Allan Lengel.  Persichini, a 33-year veteran of the FBI, took charge of the Washington office in 2006.  In crisp white shirt and yellow tie, and his blackberry and navy blue FBI coffee mug close at hand, he talked about  Chinese espionage in the Washington area, how his office sorted through intelligence tips leading up to the inauguration and the perplexing anthrax investigation and how he felt when anthrax suspect Dr. Bruce Ivins committed suicide:  &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t the ending we wanted.&#8221; The following answers were condensed and the questions were edited for clarity.</p>
<p><strong>Q.   In the anthrax case, obviously it took a long time to solve. How frustrating was that for the first few years?.</strong><br />
A.	Any case of that magnitude that you can&#8217;t solve immediately is frustrating to any investigator. We all wanted to bring the case to a logical conclusion and work it as fast as we could.  This case brought us challenges that were never faced by law enforcement ever in the history of the world. Nobody had ever used  bacillus anthracis as a weapon to murder people. There was no scientific analysis based on anthrax, no DNA about anthrax. The potential subjects were the world. How do you start from there and whittle all that down?<br />
<strong>Q.  There was a lot of talk that the scientists were never going to narrow it down to a person. Were you always confident the science would catch up?</strong><br />
A.  Well, we were optimistic.  We knew it was a piece of the puzzle we needed. But it didn&#8217;t stop us from pursuing it as a normal homicide investigation. We didn&#8217;t know if the science would come through. It was explained during the press conference about anthrax how eventually the DNA  for bacillus anthracis  was developed. That was a major factor in coming up with our conclusion<br />
<strong>Q. I don&#8217;t know how much you can say about scientist Steven Hatfill. Obviously he was considered a &#8216;person of interest&#8217;&#8211;  as the attorney general had said before.  Was there any lesson learned from looking at him?</strong><br />
A.  I&#8217;m not going to talk about Steven Hatfill. Nobody would condone any type of leak.  As I said in the very beginning,  the world was our suspect  and you begin to eliminate the potential subjects. We had many potential subjects.<br />
<strong>Q. The Ft. Detrick lab was always tops on the list.</strong><br />
A. I&#8217;m not going to get into the internal side of it. Our first impression, I&#8217;m sure all of the world thought&#8230;this is terrorism.  Any time you have a case of that magnitude there are lessons learned and it&#8217;s an experience you hope as we mature, all of us  learn how to approach a case of that magnitude again. It was uncharted waters.</p>
<p><strong>Q. Some politicians on the Hill were criticizing the FBI. Was it hard not to step up and say  &#8216;We&#8217;ve really got something cooking, we just can&#8217;t talk about it?</strong><strong> Essentially you took the criticism.</strong><br />
A. I&#8217;m not going to talk about politics. It&#8217;s no different than Ted Kaczynski and the decision to print the manifesto . You&#8217;ve got to keep focusing on your job and you have to understand, everybody was frustrated. If you&#8217;re a victim&#8217;s family member you want to see progress, you want to bring closure to this.  So did we. People that were criticizing, you have to understand, they didn&#8217;t have the facts. There is no investigation that we&#8217;re going to lay out our investigative plan, it&#8217;s just counterproductive to what we do. Everybody looks at the prism with a different perspective.<br />
<strong>Q. Were family members of the vicitms understanding  about the pace of the investigation or were they critical? </strong><br />
A. We established relationships with them at the outset and we tried to keep them abreast as much as possible without revealing our investigation to them. I think for the most part they understood that. They knew we couldn&#8217;t lay out our whole case, our whole strategy. I&#8217;m sure everybody goes through a sea of emotions in a case like this. I used to say to them: &#8220;I&#8217;m not walking in your shoes, I can try to be compassionate, I can try to understand and we&#8217;ll do the best we can.&#8221; I think the moment of truth was obviously on the day we revealed the conclusion of the case, with the director spending over an hour or so with them, sitting down, and the prosecutors and investigators going through the case in its entirety.<br />
<strong>Q. Are you convinced Bruce Ivins was the guy and Hatfill was not the guy?</strong><br />
A. Without a question. Dr. Bruce Ivins used anthrax to murder those individuals.<br />
<strong>Q. When he committed suicide, was that a frustration? Was it  shocking?</strong><br />
A. It wasn&#8217;t the ending  that we wanted.  This team was prepared to take its case in chief and present it to a jury of his peers. That&#8217;s our job and that&#8217;s what we wanted to do. We would have presented that to the grand jury and taken the case to trial.<br />
<strong>Q. Your reaction when you first heard he committed suicide?</strong><br />
A. Frustrating. Again concerned about the team , the families. Where&#8217;s  closure? We knew he was the subject. He obviously knew that. How would we have closure to this case.? How can we notifiy the public? There&#8217;s a  sense of , you know, they need to know what happened here.<br />
<strong>Q. When he committed suicide, it didn&#8217;t get out right away. Was there some talk of &#8220;how do we break the news?&#8221;</strong><br />
A. I think that conversation began immediately with all parties, the investigative team, the U.S. Attorney&#8217;s Office, the Department of Justice, headquarters ,  FBI , Postal Service,  determining what we can and cannot say. And how is it that you close an investigation of this magnitude that had global  implications?<br />
<strong>Q. Did you personally call some of the family members of the victims about this?</strong><br />
A. The team did.<br />
<strong>Q. Their reaction?</strong><br />
A. I&#8217;m not going to speak for them. Again, I&#8217;m not walking in their shoes. It&#8217;s been a long road for them. And that grieving process is different for everybody. We wanted to inform them  as soon as possible.  But  I know there was a gap between the suicide and when we could physically get everybody here  to Washington to brief them.  And that really was why it took so long to go public because   we wanted to brief them first.<br />
<strong>Q. Were you in on the briefing.</strong><br />
A. Yes.<br />
<strong>Q. And their reaction at that time?.</strong><br />
A. Again, different reactions. Some were relieved to to hear the progress that had been made that we couldn&#8217;t tell them about. So they heard exactly what we were doing, how we were approaching it, how we would have brought it  to trial and how we would have presented the case. Everybody grieved different.<br />
<strong>Q. Was it an emotional meeting?</strong><br />
A. Yes.<br />
<strong>Q. People crying?</strong><br />
A. Yes.  Emotional for everybody. It&#8217;s  not over. That grieving process continues. There&#8217;s an important lesson learned reaching out to the victims. We did a pretty good job. We wanted them to be informed.  We wanted them to understand what we were trying to do.<br />
<strong>Q. Do you look  back at some things that you guys did  and say, &#8220;Oh boy, we could have saved a lot of time.&#8221;</strong><br />
A. That&#8217;s very difficult. Things were developing, the science was developing. The science again being a pivotal point; it took us a long time.  How long did it take us   to develop DNA  in the world, and now all of a sudden,  we, within a couple years,  developed a DNA   profile of anthrax. It was never ever done before in history. Even though it took a long time, that&#8217;s a phenomenal  development by the scientists who were working with us, our FBI laboratory. You had agents that were working on the case as investigators who were scientists, who then went  to the FBI  lab in a promotional aspect and continued to work on the development of the DNA. That&#8217;s good work.</p>
<p><strong>Q. Bruce Ivins&#8217; name came up early on  in the investigation because nearly everbody at Ft. Detrick was polygraphed and his polygraph came up a little irregular at that time. Was there any indication that you should have gotten back to him sooner?</strong><br />
A. I won&#8217;t talk about that.</p>
<p><strong>Q. About the inauguration. How do you think things went?</strong><br />
A.   I think it was just a very successful day. We concentrated on inauguration day, but you know we actually had 4 days with the concert on Sunday . I think the nation&#8217;s capital rose to the occasion, and  I mean that by all aspects of the nation&#8217;s capital, the law enforcement community, the business community.<br />
<strong>Q. During that time obviously there were little scares that came up. For one, the Somalia terrorist rumors.  Were you getting a lot of intelligence coming from overseas in relation to the inauguration?</strong><br />
A. This was a global event, so this wasn&#8217;t just an event in Washington D.C.  The  eyes of the world were upon us. The first African-American president of the United States was being sworn in.  So I think the law  enforcement community, not just here in the region, but nationally and internationally, they all were very cognizant of the heightened awareness present.  It&#8217;s evident  that as we became closer and visitors began to arrive here, tips came in, information came in,  intelligence came in, information from our partners nationally, police departments, fusion centers  across the country and of course the intelligence community. Bulletins  had gone out on awareness and yes, intelligence did increase as we got closer and closer to Jan 20.<br />
<strong>Q. It must have been massive, the amount of intelligence. How do you sort through all that in an orderly fashion?</strong><br />
A. Again, I go back to the progress of the FBI since 9/11 and our ability to gather intelligence, analyze that intelligence and then disseminate  that intelligence. The stream of intelligence is very robust. Information coming in either from the fusion centers or the intelligence community is coordinated either at the headquarters level or here at the field office level. We had the capability of gathering it and then disseminating, which is important. You may get a lead that comes in and says well, we need to check out an individual in Detroit.  Well that&#8217;s not a lead that we would do. Here we would automatically send leads to our Detroit division. We had a conference call with all the field office leadership across the country and advised them what the latest threat matrix was, and that each field office was to have staff available and ready if leads or investigative assignments were delegated to each one of those divisions.  Everybody understood what we were facing across the FBI, not just nationally but internationally.</p>
<p><strong>Q. There were reports of a lot of chatter in some of the white Supremacist chat rooms.</strong><br />
A. I think again, looking across the nation, that becomes a national domestic terrorism issue. All of the fusion centers , all the law enforcement community in the nation were briefed on what we call the vulnerabilities.  What is the threat? We use the term &#8220;know your domain&#8221;. If you think there&#8217;s a threat, we&#8217;re asking people to go out and re-contact sources, maybe  review cases and determine  whether or not people had seen an increase of activity. As I sit here today, we had some increase of information, whether it&#8217;s  an Internet threat or just basic conversation between groups, which is not illegal.  Just remember, there&#8217;s a First Amendment here, freedom of speech.  Anybody can have a conversation, that&#8217;s not illegal. So obviously we&#8217;re looking for information that if somebody believes somebody has the ability or has expressed an interest  to take some sort of action , which would be illegal or to harm someone.<br />
<strong>Q. In the past, there&#8217;s been some criticism of the FBI not sharing information. Were there any issues that came up during inauguration?</strong><br />
A.      I think that&#8217;s probably one of the highlights. Our relationship with the leadership with the law enforcement here in this community is absolutely fantastic.  Again,  we&#8217;ve been planning for this for six months.  There were 23 different  sub-committees, there was an executive steering committee. The Secret Service , because it was a national special security event,  was responsible for the planning of the entire event. I can tell you up to the days, starting Friday with the train ride, the leadership talked every day. I started the morning talking to (D.C. police) Chief Lanier and usually our last call at 10 o clock at night was with Chief Lanier or (U.S. Park Police chief)  Sal Lauro or (U.S. Capitol police chief) Phil Morse.  Intelligence,   I can tell you,  was flowing by the minute, by the day,  between all of our agencies.<br />
<strong>Q. Beyond the inauguration, in terms of Afghanistan  and Iraq,   you have agents in those countries. Are you getting  helpful intelligence from there either through sources or raids or gathering of documents?</strong><br />
A. There&#8217;s a lot going on in that arena, both in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our  bomb technicians from FBI  are there.  They&#8217;re responding to all the bombings  that are going off, that evidence is all coming  into the FBI and the FBI lab so that a  data base is being formed with just all evidence as it relates to bombings. Any time there&#8217;s any kind of activity across the world and they recover evidence ,  it can now be inputted into the data base. Intelligence both from the intelligence community and the activity both in Iraq and Afghanistan  is being filtered through agencies. Our legal attaches in Baghdad and Kabul are working closely with the partners. That&#8217;s very very  important on the war on terror as you would say. Significant advancements have been made.<br />
<strong>Q. Do you feel any of the intelligence that&#8217;s been gathered there has helped prevent terrorist acts here in the states.</strong><br />
A. I won&#8217;t say whether there&#8217;s been something specific. As you always say, one small piece of intelligence may help put the whole puzzle together. That constant robust feeding of intelligence and analyzing that intelligence,  there&#8217;s no finite end to that. That&#8217;s constant. That helps all of us, not just the FBI, it helps all of us across the world assess what the capabilities are, whether it&#8217;s al Qaeda  or al-Shabab, or whoever other terrorist groups  are out there.</p>
<p><strong>Q. What about in terms of getting wiretaps in Afghanistan or Pakistan?</strong><br />
A. That I couldn&#8217;t give you.</p>
<p><strong>Q. In terms of the FBI&#8217;s role in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, do you see it expanding?</strong><br />
A. Again, our presence there is greater than just our legal attache so we have training aspects, we have investigations. Here in the Washington field office we&#8217;re responsible for some of the fraud investigations as it relates to rebuilding funds in Iraq, so I think anywhere across the globe, especially in nations that are  developing now, our presence is important.<br />
<strong>Q. In the last three or four years this office and headquarters has had a lot of public corruption cases. Do you attribute that to a shifting of resources or is some of it just luck that certain things unraveled like the Jack Abramoff case?</strong></p>
<p>A.      Public corruption is one of the our number one criminal priorities in this division and will continue  to be. We burn more public corruption resources than anywhere in the nation.  We have about 55 agents working public corruption here in the nation&#8217;s capital. You mentioned we have the Abramoff case, we&#8217;re doing a lot of work in the foreign corrupt practices act and anti-trust cases.</p>
<p><strong>Q. Can we expect some indictments this year in public corruption?</strong><br />
A. I can say we have resources committed to it and obviously  an indictment is up to the grand jury, but as we move forward  on cases I expect some statistical accomplishments  and some judicial action to take place.<br />
<strong>Q. In terms of espionage here in Washington, we traditionally  think of Russians and Chinese. Are they still the key groups?</strong><br />
A. Espionage is here.  It&#8217;s present.   I think what&#8217;s important also is economic espionage.  We continue to be a government that invests in more R and D (research and development) than anywhere else in the world. There are countries, there are companies, there are entities,   that are always looking at stealing the R and D that we are investing in this country. We are in the nation&#8217;s capital.  We have the largest military contractors in the nation here doing a lot of sensitive work. We have a very robust espionage group here in WFO (Washington Field Office). They&#8217;re doing great work.<br />
<strong>Q. Have you made some espionage cases?</strong><br />
A. We made some case against some individuals from China who were paying for classified material. L.A. just made another case.  It&#8217;s out there and we&#8217;re making cases and developing intelligence about the methods of technological  transfers and R and D theft.</p>
<p><strong>Q. The cases that have come up so far, have they involved China and&#8230;?</strong><br />
A. Primarily China; still a country that is very interested in our technology  and our military development.<br />
<strong>Q. And the Russians. Are they players anymore?</strong></p>
<p>A. We have a host of target countries that continue to be interested in classified material of the United States government.<br />
<strong>Q. When you talk about a host, are we talking about three or six?</strong><br />
A. I&#8217;m not going to get into who. It&#8217;s a limited group.</p>
<p><strong>Q. Do you feel sometimes the bad guys have access to some technology, and law enforcement hasn&#8217;t quite caught up?</strong><br />
A.      I think it&#8217;s a challenge.</p>
<p><strong>Q. How has the FBI acclimated to such venues as  Facebook and Twitter?</strong><br />
A.      You&#8217;ve got Voice Over Internet, you have so many different mediums out there whether it&#8217;s Facebook&#8230;. Ten years ago if you went out and did a search warrant of a residence &#8212; and maybe it was a drug case &#8212; odds are you went in, you did a search you walked out  with possibly physical evidence , whether it would be drugs or preparation equipment or scales or whatever; never thought about a computer or a PDA or a Blackberry or a fax . Today when  we do  a search,  that search now includes so many different  modes of communications,  and that&#8217;s a challenge.  So you&#8217;re  the agent  looking at that case and now you have maybe eight different methods of communication  to analyze to make your case. All the new modes of communication are obviously a challenge for us.</p>
<p><strong>Q. When you think in the past year or so when you think about communication among bad guys, has anything surprised you?</strong><br />
A. We were having a discussion about this. People are talking about gaming on the Internet. I&#8217;m talking about, you can go online and you and another friend and another friend can go on line and you can be at your house and your friend can be at their house and you&#8217;re doing a battle game, whatever kind of battle game it is. You can use Voice Over Internet while you&#8217;re  playing this game, you can be communicating with each other, and you &#8216;re thinking to yourself, that&#8217;s a mode I can communicate with.  To me that&#8217;s a challenge, that&#8217;s phenomenal  to think,  here we have people sitting in their own residence playing a video game with somebody in China or maybe down the street. As progress of technology grows, the challenge of us capturing that grows.<strong><br />
Q. As for mortgage fraud, are you seeing it peak, or is it still growing?</strong><br />
A. I think we haven&#8217;t even reached the peak of where we&#8217;re going with mortgage fraud.  Right now, we&#8217;re analyzing as you know. Northern Virginia communities  were hit the hardest.<br />
<strong>Q. Do you hope to  get more resources  to deal with this?</strong><br />
A. Yes, I think that&#8217;s important. I know  at the headquarters level, if you&#8217;re looking at the magnitude of the problems. .. it&#8217;s  going to be important to get  some commitments and additional resources  to take a look at this.<br />
<strong>Q.	What&#8217;s your future at the FBI?</strong><br />
A.	I&#8217;ve been here 33 years. I love coming to work  everyday.. As long as the director allows me to stay in this position, I&#8217;d like to stay. Obviously  we have mandatory retirement at  57, I&#8217;m not that old yet. It is an honor and privilege to work  with the men and women of this division who just knock it out of the box everyday and the inauguration is probably a good example of that.</p>
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<p>By Mary Beth Sheridan<br />
Washington Post Staff Writer<br />
<strong>WASHINGTON </strong>&#8211; Authorities are organizing what appears to be the largest security operation ever for an inauguration, bringing in thousands of extra police, agents and troops to handle crowds as President-elect Barack Obama is sworn in.<br />
Security officials are bracing not just for the ceremony and parade Jan. 20 but also for at least 70 concerts, balls and other events surrounding the inauguration. Those include the welcome celebration featuring Obama on Jan. 18 at the Lincoln Memorial, which could draw 500,000 people, according to the D.C. mayor&#8217;s office.<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;ve gone from a one-day event to a four-day event,&#8221; said Joseph Persichini Jr., head of the FBI&#8217;s Washington Field Office, which will bring in about 20 percent more employees than usual for the activities.<br />
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